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Is information from MikuFan.com correct and accurate about Save Miku?Edit

【Are Crypton and Google really solving problems actively or NOT?】 Edit

This is EVIDENCE Support PageEdit

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SummaryEdit

Since MIkufan.com wrote the following article, we started to investigate this as case7.Edit



Since they wrote: Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.
"The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago
and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.",
"Crypton has the intention of making an announcement once everything has been settled."

There were questions from many other people in international Vocaloid community if these are TRUE or NOT. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.Edit

Many international people believed their news that "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone is nothing to do." We found that there was no evidence to support their article regarding Google and Crypton issue.Edit

Mikufan.com started Stop Posting "Save Miku" campaign to stop anti-Korean blaming each other, and to stop posing "SAVE MIKU" on re-uploaded copied video. However, They did not try to contact us to confirm before writing. Some of us tried to stop their publication before writing to confirm. However, if they correct inaccurate or wrong information properly, we and fandom should not over react since they try to solve the problems. We need the detailed truth from them to investigate the deletion problem, and to finish this case.Edit

Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012.Edit

Here is more summarized information.

The problem of video deletion is basically between the person who posted video on YouTube and the person who applied for deletion of the video. Crypton has never become involved in it at all. Also Google and Youtube just delete videos on the basis of Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and they do not become responsible for solving this problem proactively.Edit

We also need to correct this "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do."Edit

Their spread message are still active in many other Website. It still causing confusion to many people. When we start to discuss, everyone ask us if "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do." We can not correct information one by one. We and they need to wipe out inaccurate part of previous spread message from them.Edit

We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care?Edit

In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. Google can not protect if the video is copied and re-uploaded without permission. Downloading and re-uploading of a video violate the general user term of Youtube. There are no people or organization to take care so far.Edit

Thus, everyone need to start thinking about many problems instead of just viewing copied videos.Edit

The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. We highly need help to maintain current situation in order to protect and investigate.Edit

Mid-term report: There is very high possibility that their information is not correct nor accurate as follows:

Case7-2_mikufan.com summary page2



MikuFan.com's articleEdit

1)

Stop Posting “Save Miku” Topics and VideosEdit

Written by jrharbort on Monday, April 16th, 2012

http://www.mikufan.com/stop-posting-save-miku-topics-and-videos/

After observing the community for a while after the incident back in February, I am appalled to find that somehow people are STILL talking about this. I have absolutely no idea why, and it’s also nothing short of disappointing. Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.Edit

The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit

and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.Edit

This leads me to believe that the problem is stemming from all of the new fans who have no idea that the situation was handled a long time ago. So we as a community need to spread the news that there is no longer a problem.

Crypton is a powerful company with many powerful partners (such as Google), and they’re perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. They don’t need an army. As fans, we don’t need to do anything more than observe from the sidelines.Edit

2)Edit

A “Save Miku” Response From Crypton: “The Problem is Almost Solved”Edit

— Written by jrharbort on Monday, April 23rd, 2012

http://www.mikufan.com/a-save-miku-response-from-crypton-the-problem-has-been-almost-solved/


Despite the success of my message regarding the “Save Miku” movement reaching hundreds of thousands of fans around the world, there’s still something that a lot of the fans want: An official word from Crypton themselves. This is understandable, so Scott from Mikustar.com and myself have both sent messages to Crypton to ask for confirmation on the matter. We have both received the same response via email.

“Regarding SAVE MIKU Movement, the deletion problem has been almost solved and we have nothing to announce so far.”

Now, before you jump to conclusions, this can mean a lot of things. Due to how this was a global issue that had to deal with individual country’s copyright laws, it’s possible that there has been a lot of communication and paperwork done over this. These things take a lot of time, even if the initial problem of the false claims has been stopped. I’ve yet to see any new videos vanish from my own playlists for some time now, so it’s now likely that they could simply be working to finish things up.

Crypton has the intention of making an announcement once everything has been settled. So keep cool and keep and eye out for that, and stay tuned!Edit

twitter:

http://twitter.com/mikufandotcom

http://www.youtube.com/user/mikufan


3) MikuStar's article

Vocaloid Video Deletion Issue “Almost Solved” according to Crypton Future MediaEdit

Posted on April 23, 2012

http://blog.mikustar.com/?p=456

Crypton has declined to make an official statement but indicates that it is still working on this issue and is close to resolving it. The quote from Crypton:Edit

“Regarding SAVE MIKU Movement, the deletion problem has been almost solved and we have nothing to announce so far.”

The issue of video deletions is complex, given the number of videos and accounts involved as well as the nature of copyright laws and the international scale of the events. It also involves a high degree of coordination between Crypton Future Media and Google/YouTube. Because of this, it is not at all surprising that it has taken some time to work through all the details in order to resolve the situation.

The important thing for fans of Hatsune Miku to understand is that Miku is safe. She is not going anywhere and she is certainly not going to be deleted. Hatsune Miku and other vocaloids have the backing of millions of fans worldwide and are also supported by successful companies in Japan.

I would ask that all fans of Miku step back and allow due-process to take its course. The fact is that we don’t know who the parties are behind this or what their motivations are. To make accusations against others based on rumor or supposition is certainly not something that Miku would want us to do.

MikuStar.com and MikuFan.com will continue to provide Vocaloid fans with up-to-date information as it becomes available. In the meantime, lets enjoy the music, the videos, the voice and the beauty. The rest will take care of itself.


4) Initial article on February 1st, 2012 from MikuFan.com

Hatsune Miku & Vocaloid Videos on Youtube Threatened by False, Mass Copyright ClaimsEdit

— Written by jrharbort on Wednesday, February 1st, 2012.

Since MikuFan.com is quoting initial message and video of our previous staff, it is correct. We also fond the one of our previous staff sent directly to MikuFan.com for the information January 29, 2012.



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Background, Summary and Future Aim (Construction /original writing)Edit

Background, Summary and Future Aim

Propose of the initial message from our previous staff was only informing to other person. Main message was "mysterious deletion has been happening". Initial aim of Project Save Miku was telling about deletion of videos in YouTube. It seems successful to announce. However, responses were too aggressive from oversea sometime. Therefore, we shifted more gently as written in New Objective+Message, Temporary Japanese Menu and Save Miku Overseas Wiki . For the initial step, we started INVESTIGATION first. We are still in this process.

Initially, Project Save Miku was not idealy supported by Original Producer of videos due to mis-understanding. It was found that many/most video in YouTube are copied and re-uploaded from Nico Nico Douga without permission from original Producer. There are BIG mis-understanding within Producers in Japan that we promote and help copying and re-uploading video without permission. However, it is not true. Due to mis-understanding, most of Producers may not read our message yet. Thus, if you find an original Producer, please show our new massage and ask for understanding of our activity. There is some possibility that some creator related people are helping to hide major claimers in small community.
{{ #NewWindowLink: http://savemiku.wikia.com/wiki/New_Objective%2BMessage | New Objective+Message}} 【最新のSAVE MIKUの目的及びメッセージ】

It was found that many original Producer did not want copying and re-uploading video without permission. It also depend on individual Producer. Many Producers seems expecting some kind of contact even After secondary use of the video. It was discovered that it seems better to say hi, if you are using video for secondary use. Please check the condition for the secondary use or ask original Producer.

It seems important to leave the way to contact from Original Producer to secondary user (such as E-mail, Twitter, or Facebook). Original Producer may want to say Hi , thank you, or comment at later for feedback. They seems expecting what kind of secondary creation is done for fun. However, if Producer release the record from major record company, the condition may become different depend on Producer and record company.

Of course, there are many problems remain, chain of secondary creation seems relatively conserved in Nico NIco Douga/Video in Japan. However, it seems not well established enough within YouTube, between YouTube and NicoNico Douga, and during the English translation. Many original Producers of vocaloid videos did not interested in recovering re-uploaded video in YouTube. Thus, we changed the direction. We started to inform and study how to prevent or reduce unwanted copying also.Edit

It was found that some deleted account may copied and re-uploaded 100-1000 videos from Nico Nico Douga.

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During the investigation, it was started to find that translation of video from Japanese to English may have problems. It was found that relatively large amount of mis-translation may be occurring. It was realized that translation of lyric is translation of poem. Thus, It is very difficult. Translation of poem is highly difficult than normal translation of books or text.

It was found that English translator did not understand the meaning of Japanese lyric before translation. Some awful translation were occurred according to other site, user and Producer. Translator changed the meaning opposite during the Japanese lyric interpretation. English translator changed the meaning of lyric during the mis-translation. They only translated one sentence each time;but, did not fit the meaning of entire lyric enough. There is a few excellent translator also.

According to Japanese Producer and translator, it is very important to think several sentences (phrase) since the meaning of Japanese word can be sometime taken by several meaning within several sentences (phrase). There are comment that when English user learned simple conversation of Japanese, English user thought they already learned enough, then they started to translate, and then awful mis-translation may happen. Japanese translator is also telling that since lyric is poet, it is relatively difficult to translate, compare to normal Japanese. They are also telling that if a English translator can not write Japanese (by hand writing), it is not proper level to do translation of lyric.

Sometime, English translator may using automatic translation by using computer, such as Google translation. Several Japanese translators asked for the improvement/correction of words in the translated video site in YouTube. However, several English user may ignored. Then, we started to investigate if mysterious deletion may be initially targeted to unwanted or bad translation also. There is minor comment, claimer SASA-X-JUN may only targeted to the account of worse translation with bad attitude.

According to some Japanese translator of lyric, if an English user started to understand Japanese, the English user feels happy about it. Then, an English user tries to do translation from Japanese video even language level is not enough. If the translation is used in English video even with bad translation, the translator wouldn't notice and feel happy about it. Most of international fan does not understand mis-translation or does not realize the bad translation from it. Then, if international fan like the video music, translator may think it is OK and feel proud about it. English translator continues to translate lyric of other songs without negative feedback of bad translation.

It was also reported that in the case of Fansub of animation, native Japanese and English speaker are double checking for translation. Then, the quality of translation maybe relatively high.

It was started to discovered that original Producer of the video may have right to change the unwanted translation of the lyric. However, many English translated video may not have permission for translation. Thus, it may better to make the way of contact with Original Producer and translator.

Most/Many of the English translated video was uploaded without permission (or without contact) from Original Producers. It seems no significant contact to Original Producer yet at the time of translation and re-uploading. Thus, we needed to change the direction of Save Miku Project to fit the opinion of original Producer. We change the direction to investigate first instead of asking to recover video.

Protection of Vocaloid video is not only the way to Save Miku. Protection of creative environment is also important according to creator and Producer regarding Save Miku to produce new video and secondary work. Where to upload is the only one of the actual right for minor/introductory Producer, according to P. Proper secondary use and protection of the chain of creation may also Save Miku.


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We started to check most of Vocaloid video in YouTube almost EVERYDAY as partly written in Daily Check of Deleted Video. We developed some process to check most Vocaloid video in YouTube. This Daily Check of Video may became strong force to mysterious claimer. However, we lost manpower more that 70% after initial 1.5 months. But, we could not ask to join if we don't know the person's background or opinion enough since it may possible that anti-miku fan and anti-Korean activist may be included in investigation. Thus, we still need help very much.

Meanwhile, translation of Japanese into English is started to help international user, Japanese Producer, and Fandom. During the investigation and studying, it was found that many regulation and guides are written in Japanese. It was not translated into English. We also started to ask original Producer to submit the permission condition for secondary use of video. Statements from producers and copyright holders is started to make.

{{ #NewWindowLink: http://mikucommunity.wikia.com/wiki/For_International_Creators_and_Fandom | For International Creators and Fandom}} 【国際的に活動されるP、クリエイター及びファンの為のページ】

One of the Goal is added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West.". In order to find more interesting topics for Original Producer and Vocaloid Fan, sub topics were under discussion slowly. (Project Miku etc, Community is still under discussion and construction slowly.)

It is under investigation by Miku fan volunteers. It is advisable to confirm the permission from Original Producer. At least, it may better to say hi and leave contact way from Producer. It may also important to do proper refer of original creation including URL.

We found [anti-Korean activist, spammer, anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression] may trying to use Vocaloid from February 2012. It was discovered that the anti-Korean activists are also using SAVE MIKU project to promote their campaign. We are asking NOT to stimulate NOR respond the anti-Korean activists who are sitting in the comment place of the YouTube video as written separately. Thus, please try to discuss more detailed topics of Vocaloid with other Vocaloid fan in order to reduce the intention of anti-Korean activists. They may made more than 1000 spams to our related sites before.

Then, MikuFan.com wrote the following articles and started the campaign about Stop Posting "Save Miku" without asking us and without knowing us enough including our Website. Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. Crypton and Google are collecting some information as written in the News in February 2, 2012.

However, they may wrote wrong information. They thought problems are almost solved, nothing is happening and no one is doing about Save Miku Project. They thought Vocaloid fan are blaming each other in the comment of YouTube. They probably didn't know about anti-Korean and anti-Japan activists. They may started to Stop Posting "Save Miku" campaign with wrong or inaccurate information.

Who is going to take care to solve many problems?

We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems including We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems.

Permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user in YouTube. Please understand that it is NOT possible to copy video and re-upload in Nico Nico Douga without making problems. It may cause simple deletion of videos by P in NND. However, it has been happening in YouTube. Who is going to take care? Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.


Thus, we have to investigate this case7 as [MikuFan.com] for about 2 months by using many man power. They actually stop other investigation and studying by taking time too much. We still don't have enough time to make our wiki sites due many other activities. Please see followings for more detail :
Case7 mikufan.com [Is information from MikuFan.com correct and accurate about Save Miku?]

The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG mis-understanding in producer and other people as described above. Most of the visitor by Facebook was stopped for 2 months after their articles as shown in our top page. We and they need to correct wrong information in their article.

During the heavy spam attack (more than 1000 spams) to several sites, we lost Wiki sites .Since there were too much spam attack to other site, we were not possible to spread the URL of new Website widly the same as initial website. However, we are within top 1-3 of Google search by typing keyword "save miku".

If you are visiting this site, please add comment in following page also, to say Hi.

Discussion in basic English 【英語初級で雑談&相談】Pさんも是非'】⇔Visit FirstEdit

Main Menu+Japanese (⇔日本語メニュー)⇔and INVESTIGATIONEdit



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EVIDENCE and INFORMATION 1 (before writing their article)Edit


We are trying to find how false or inaccurate information are generated and spread.Edit


10) Why initial false information started in February 2012?Edit

There was a news from J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. In this news, Crypton was telling they are only started to collect the information regarding video deletion. The person from Google was out of office.Edit


However, we found that "J-CAST News on February 2, 2012" may caused wrong or inaccurate translation during international transfer by someone within 1-2 days.Edit

a)海外の初音ミク動画「次々削除」 だれの嫌がらせなのかと大騒ぎに」, J-CAST News, 2012/2/2

a)(Deletion of Hatsune Miku videos in OverSea: Who is doing?)

http://www.j-cast.com/2012/02/02121041.html?p=all


b)グーグルの日本法人に取材すると、広報担当者が不在だとして話が聞けなかった。

b)(According to Google Japan, no one was available to respond.)


c)初音ミク発売元のクリプトン・フューチャー・メディアでは、取材に対し、「弊社でも、ご案内のような事実が発生していることを認識いたしております。現在、情報の収集を行なっております」とコメントしている。Edit

c)(Crypton is telling that [Crypton KNOWS about the issue, video deletion is happening in YouTube. Crypton is COLLECTING information.])Edit


However, these kind of information was mistranslated very often into followings:Edit

>c) [Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.]Edit

http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Save_Miku?oldid=71928


1-3 days after from J-CAST NEWS (on about Feb 3, 2012), following message are already started to post in YouTube. Someone add the wrong or inaccurate information to the original news as listed in below (9).Edit

Then, started to spread as wrong information by someone as follows:Edit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8


9) Please delete these kind of video and message by your selfEdit

Again, Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012.=Edit

We found the critical information. Following information from MikuFan.com is similar to spam in YouTube dated February 03, 2012 (and some others) as listed below. Where is the evidence to support their article on April 16, 2012? Did MikuFan.com wrote the article without confirmation? Who add the information regarding Korea "they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it."?Edit

d)

>[The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago,]

In the spam, we found mis-translation from original J-CAST News, February 2, 2012.

(The person who wrote spam may though that :there was the name of Google and Crypton in the J-CAST News, Then the person might thought it was already safe.)


Following are wrong message spread by someone:Edit

d)

February 3, 2012


EDIT: Miku is now safe, Crypton and Google made a joint effort and fixed the issue.

Countless videos featuring Miku are being deleted by unknown individuals and/or groups. Everybody, help us to save Miku!

What you can do:

1. Download every Miku video you watch with a YouTube Downloader of your choice

2. Upload them to your channel and mark them with SaveMiku (at least in tags, better in the title)

3. Spread this message through comments and video descriptions

We are her soul. We give her voice. We give her life.

We, the fans, are Hatsune Miku.

They want to take her down? They'll have to take us down!

I do not own anything. Everything belongs to their rightful owners.**

Example of video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8


There was other News after confirmationEdit

Multiple Hatsune Miku Videos Being Taken Down Overseas

2012-02-02 10:45 EST

Crypton Future Media: We are gathering information on the situation

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-02/multiple-overseas-hatsune-miku-videos-being-taken-down

When ANN contacted Hatsune Miku's developer Crypton Future Media, the company said, "Our company has confirmed that this is happening. We are now gathering information on the situation."





EVIDENCE and INFORMATION 2 (During and after writing the article)Edit

1) The writer of MikuFan.com (Mr. "jrharbort") wrote the first article based on the information from Mr. SeyrenLK. (on April 16,2012)
Stop Posting “Save Miku” Topics and Videos — Written by jrharbort on Monday, April 16th, 2012

http://www.mikufan.com/stop-posting-save-miku-topics-and-videos/


2) Information from Mr. SeyrenLK: The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.

(Mr. SeyrenLK is uploader of Live concert video. )


3) Admin of vocaloidfanpage wrote and spread the information on April 16, 2012 as follows:


>[As the news say, problem with deleted videos have been solved 2 month ago by joined effort of Crypton and Google, so just sit back and enjoy, no need to worry about Miku, or any other Vocaloid. Read the article, it's good to know it :) ]

https://www.facebook.com/vocaloidfanpage/posts/108461595955147

vocaloidfanpage

https://www.facebook.com/vocaloidfanpage

Then, news article from MikuFan was read over 10000 people in 24 hours. It reached 13000 people at later. Then, the confused information was started to spread.


4) The writer of MikuFan.com (Mr. "jrharbort") and Mr. Scott from MikuStar sent a letter and his article to Crypton in order to confirm about SAVE MIKU movement and, asked Crypton to make official announcement about SAVE MIKU movement.


There was no comment about Google and Crypton in the letter from Mr. "jrharbort" sent to Crypton. Crypton did/may not know about the writing of the article in detail. URL link of the article published on April 16, 2012 was shown in the letter.

>I am asking for Crypton to please post an official statement in regards to the "Save Miku" movement, and the problem with false copyright claims on videos two months ago.

http://www.mikufan.com/a-save-miku-response-from-crypton-the-problem-has-been-almost-solved/

(We thought MikuFan.com wrote a letter to confirm the involvement of Google and Crypton. There was not written in the letter itself.)


5) However, they received very short letter from Crypton. The E-mail was very confusing since one person in Crypton wrote the personal feeling (according to Crypton's additional letter to us at later as translated in below).


>Regarding SAVE MIKU Movement, the deletion problem has been almost solved and we have nothing to announce so far. We hope you understand.


6) It may possible that some person in Crypton just copied the main sentence during the reply to 2 person, Mr. "jrharbort"and Scott.

>Regarding SAVE MIKU Movement, the deletion problem has been almost solved and we have nothing to announce so far. We hope you understand.

We think there were only ackowledgement in the letter.



EVIDENCE and INFORMATION 3 (Google and Crypton related issue)Edit

7) Then, Mr. "jrharbort" and Scott from MikuStar wrote second articles separately. 2nd article) A “Save Miku” Response From Crypton: “The Problem is Almost Solved”— Written by jrharbort, April 23rd, 2012

http://www.mikufan.com/a-save-miku-response-from-crypton-the-problem-has-been-almost-solved/

http://blog.mikustar.com/?p=456


8) The information from the articles of MikuFan.com were spread to many places. Then, some person related to us, asked to Crypton in order to confirm if their information is correct or not. There were reply to that person as follows:

The writing were all done by using Japanese language. There were large amount of text. We saw the original text, and translated major point into English as follows. Therefore, no significant mis-communication may happened during Japanese.

The writer of MikuFan.com, Mr. "jrharbort" also asked some other person related us to contact to Crypton directly in Youtube. Some person related to us told Mr. "jrharbort" in YouTube to wait for publication until confirmation including Crypton.

(If there is some wrong translation/communication, we would apologize in advance.).


9) Several points became clear as follows:Edit

1)
According to the direct response from Crypton about the articles of MikuFan.com,
Crypton did not announce that problem were solved.
Crypton has not announced yet.
Edit

Crypton will not make announcement about this problem in future, basically.Edit

Crypton did not announce officially that deletion problem were nearly solved.

Crypton said that they heard about deletion problems in YouTube, about 2-3 months ago (in J-CAST News February 2, 2012 and Anime News Network on February 2, 2012).


According to Crypton, this is a problem between following:
1) The person who asked to delete video (Claimer)
2) YouTube (Google)
3) The person who uploaded to YouTube
(and of course, original producer who has copyright)
Edit

Crypton is not in right place to make an official announcement, according to Crypton. They are telling this is not the business of Crypton, basically.Edit

Thus, solving or not solving of this problems, regarding the deleted video is NOT the official concern of Crypton, according to them. Crypton is nothing to do with it officially.


Following is not correct or inaccurate according to Crypton and others, since they did not announce yet.
>The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and
>Crypton over two months ago, and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.


Here is more summarized information in better English.

The problem of video deletion is basically between the person who posted video on YouTube and the person who applied for deletion of the video. Crypton Future Media has never become involved in it at all. Also Google and Youtube just delete videos on the basis of Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and they do not become responsible for solving this problem proactively.


Crypton seems supporting the followings idea (of Save Miku) basically:
1) Surveillance (patrol) and Investigation of deleted video problem
2) Thinking of problems about video copy and re-uploading without getting permission form Producers.

3) We started to inform and study how to prevent or reduce unwanted copying and re-uploading.


CAUTIONEdit

Following information are add by us.
However, Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission.
Edit


The purpose of "Save Miku" is not to promote unauthorized copying or re-uploading the deleted videos.
Illegal reproduction is not permitted basically.

Please study Piapro Character License (PCL) of Crypton for further assistance regarding special copyright condition. (This is a test case to change the way of getting permission in several words or sentences from Producers.)Edit

Piapro Character License research  【ピアプロ キャラクター ライセンスの勉強会】

http://piapro.jp/license/character_guideline


Permission of copy is made by Producer (P.) and copyright holders.



Additional InformationEdit

However, there was minor comment from Crypton.

Crypton is saying that the person, who made reply to Mr. "jrharbort" and Mr. Scott, wrote personal feeling in the short E-mail.

The person in Crypton, who wrote reply to Mikufan.com by English, wrote personal feeling.

That person wrote "the deletion problem has been almost solved" as a personal feeling.

(There is a possibility/guess that it means the deletion problem became relatively stable.)

( It may highly possible that This person may sent e-mail without asking in Crypton.)

Thus, Crypton is saying there is no official announcement. we have nothing to announce so far.”


Please understand that during translation from Japanese into English, several minor mistake or wrong- nuance/ mis-translation may happen. Many person are writing using poor English skill. Thus, it may not better to overreact since there is no official announcement from Crypton.


Crypton is telling there is no contact with Mr. SeyrenLK.

(The writer of MikuFan, Mr. "jrharbort " is telling that in several places. He recived information from SeyrenLK about this issue according to the writer.)


Crypton is also telling that unauthorized copying and re-uploading the videos are violation of fundamental regulation of account of YouTube and Nico NIco video's. Thus, please think more.

Please see Guidelines for secondary use and PCL, written in below to get permission.


Crypton seems supporting the followings idea basically:

We started to inform and study how to prevent or reduce unwanted copying and re-uploading.


Crypton said that they heard about deletion problems in YouTube, about 2-3 months ago (on Twitter).

Thus, many Japanese fan already know that/ followings:

The problem with video deletions had been KNOWN by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit




INVESTIGATIONEdit

MikuFan 2012-4-16

Investigation and Thinking. Permission to use will be taken or delete. http://www.mikufan.com/stop-posting-save-miku-topics-and-videos/





























How do we investigate, analyze, try to get the clue to solve problemsEdit

We are discussing and doing the investigation everyday. We are Miku fan volunteer. Almost everyday, some us has been checking most of Vocaloid video in YouTube to compare the condition of video from yesterday. Condition of Vocaloid videos has been checked almost everyday by using some method. These kind of fundamental activity forced to stop mysterious deletion and help INVESTIGATION.


However, Precaution of everyone is also seems very important. Edit


Miku fan volunteer related to SAVE MIKU Project is doing investigation, Daily checking of Vocaloid video, discussion, translation of documents, development of software to prevent, asking Producer for the condition of secondary use, trying to develop the system to prevent unwanted copying and re-uploading, finding the problems of lyric translation, trying to contact international site sometime, construction of Website sometime, and many other things.Edit

Please do not write too much in your Web page without knowing actual part of our activity.


Thus, deletion checking is not over yet. Just became relatively stable. maybe.

These kind of INVESTIGATIONS are doing by minimum/a few persons. If we lost several person, deletion checking will be stopped.

We also highly need some person to make these wikiA website for adding information. We don't have enough person to make these website. Since we don't have any person, we can not make report of daily check in English yet. Only relaiable person can do. Some of the data are in here for analysis and report.

If you are interested in, please help us. Please join us in the current wiki. It is highly helpful that if any person can check English and improve English of these kind of Website.

Even MikuFan.com wrote "As fans, we don’t need to do anything" without knowing, We/Miku Fan volunteer for SAVE MIKU project need many support including English proof reading.

Daily Check of Deleted Video 【削除動画探してみた」の日々の削除動画監視の情報データの更新】




However, the writer of MikuFan may not know our activity since they never contacted us before writing the article. During the investigation, it was found that one of our staff contacted to Mr.jrharbort on January 29th 2012 to provide initial information of SAVE MIKU project. Then, they wrote the article on February 1 st. as follows:

Hatsune Miku & Vocaloid Videos on Youtube Threatened by False, Mass Copyright ClaimsEdit

Then, they wrote the following article No.1.

Comment regarding: Stop Posting “Save Miku” Topics and VideosEdit

http://www.mikufan.com/stop-posting-save-miku-topics-and-videos/

This leads me to believe that the problem is stemming from all of the new fans who have no idea that the situation was handled a long time ago. So we as a community need to spread the news that there is no longer a problem.

As fans, we don’t need to do anything more than observe from the sidelines.



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Our current analysis with investigationEdit

1) There is no evidence from Mr. SeyrenLK to suppor this information: The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.
(Mr. SeyrenLK is uploader of Live concert video). ) Thus, there is no evidence to support the initial article yet. If Mr. SeyrenLK have a evidence, it may important to show us in order to prove the information quickly. We are trying to find the evidence.


There is/was these kind of mis-translation in several Website.:
>Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.
(However, there was no evidence as described below.


2) Please understand that Crypton is/may not handling the situation. Crypton will not announce about this topics, according to Crypton. They seems acknowledging us unofficially. Mikufan.com may not know enough what we are INVESTIGATING.

3) Since we are taking large amont of our time (more than 1 months) and man power to INVESTIGATE as a Case7 [Mikufan.com], they shoud try to contact before publishing to confirm since we provide the information for the initial article in January, 2012.

4) Mikufan.com may spread the incorrect or inaccurate information without double checking enough.


5) Within the e-mail from Crypton to them, following is the significant part. This is may be only acknowledgement with some personal feeling. They are/seems saying that [We hope you understand.] because they can not annouce comment officially. This is/seems very tipical short letter of acknowledgement only. There is no significant contents for the annoucement nor official comment.


>Regarding SAVE MIKU Movement, the deletion problem has been almost solved and we have nothing to announce so far. We hope you understand.

>Also, I know about that site as well. I was even a member of this group: .


This person has been watching SAVE MIKU Facebook Website. But, if you see this facebook Website, most of the person is already very stable. No one is blaming in their Facebook. Spam are reduced in 2ch. Massive video deletion is already became stable. Thus, this person may felt almost "the deletion problem has been almost solved".

We may also think exactly the same opinion if we saw the SAVE MIKU Facebbok. Since the deletion problem became relatively stable, some of us try to rest from March, a one month before the letter of Crypton. Number of spam activity were highly reduced. Some of us enjoyed live concert of Vocaloid in March.

The writer of MikuFan.com (Mr. "jrharbort") was/seems mainly watching YouTube regarding blaming in the comment of the video, and some other Website. The writer of MikuFan.com did not know very heavy spam and many other dramatic incident in Japanese Website regarding the video deletion and SAVE MIKU in January and February 2012. It was not possible to communicate each other due to very heavy spam.

This person (as well as We) may thought bad comment in YouTube video is relatively minor compare to many Websites happened before. Otherwise, relatively low intention/sensitivity due to non-native English user. Thus, we support the feeling of this person.


5) Crypton said that they NKOW about deletion problems in YouTube, about 2-3 months ago on Twitter and Japanese J-CAST News .

Thus, many Japanese fan already know that:

The problem with video deletions had been KNOWN by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit

However, MIkuFan.com wrote:

The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit

Thus, Many Japanese fan including us may thought if mis-translation happened again similar to lyric translation.

6) There is/was these kind of mis-translation in several Website in English. However, there is no Japanese mis-writing nor mis-translation in Japanese Website.:
>Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.
(However, there was no evidence as described below. This kind of mis-translation seems happening from these kind of original news in Japan.


7) We found some article Crypton knows about this case in early February.

10) Why initial false information started in February 2012?Edit

There was a news from J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. In this news, Crypton was telling they are only started to collect the information regarding video deletion. The person from Google was out of office.Edit

However, we found that "J-CAST News on February 2, 2012" may caused wrong or inaccurate translation during international transfer by someone within 1-2 days.Edit

J-cast News : 海外の初音ミク動画「次々削除」 だれの嫌がらせなのかと大騒ぎに」2012/2/2

http://www.j-cast.com/2012/02/02121041.html?p=all


グーグルの日本法人に取材すると、広報担当者が不在だとして話が聞けなかった。

(According to Google Japan, no one was available to respond.)


初音ミク発売元のクリプトン・フューチャー・メディアでは、取材に対し、「弊社でも、ご案内のような事実が発生していることを認識いたしております。現在、情報の収集を行なっております」とコメントしている。Edit

(Crypton is telling that [Crypton KNOWS about the issue, video deletion is happening in YouTube. Crypton is COLLECTING information.])Edit

However, these kind of information was mistranslated very often into followings:Edit

>[Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.]Edit

1-3 days after from J-CAST NEWS (on about Feb 3, 2012), following message are already started to post in YouTube. Someone add the wrong or inaccurate information to the original news as listed in below (9).Edit

Then, started to spread as wrong information by someone as follows:Edit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8



8) During the discussion, it was found that What is solving the problem with video deletions?

It was found that more than 70-90% of the Vocaloid video in YouTube may be copied and re-uploaded video without permission from the original Producer (P) in Nico Nico Video.

Does Crypton solve the problem of copied and re-uploaded video without permission from Producer?

Does Crypton, Google and YouTube support copied and re-uploaded unofficial video without permission from Producer?

Thus, it seems impossible to protect copied and re-uploaded video without permission from Producer.
(We also found that we/SAVE MIKU also may not able to protect videos without the permission from original Producer. Thus, we are not asking to recover the deleted video without the permission.)


If the Producer did not want the copied and re-uploaded video without permission, deletion of the re-uploaded video is solving the problem for Producer.

Even MikuFan and MikuStar wroted "The problem with video deletions had been solved", we found we never discuss about what is "The problem is to be solved". (since we are during the investigation.)


9) It was found during the contact to Crypton.

Even MikuFan and MikuStar wroted "The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago,' and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.", we found we never discuss about what is "The problem is to be solved".

10) Deletion of the copied video may solved the problem for some original Producer.

11) Crypton may be telling right. They is/may not proper to annouce in order to protect or solve the problems of copied and re-uploaded video without permission.

12) If Google, YouTube and Crypton officially protect the copied video, every one may fine to copy and re-upload video without permission. It is destruction of the creative environment. There is no copy right at all..


13) Thus, Crypton is telling that it is difficult make an announcement officially. Therefore, Crypton may not want to announce officially. Then, Crypton is telling it is very important to think within user and producer of video. Crypton is also asking to think about copy right problem unofficially.


14) We started to discuss and investigate about thranslation problem.


15) Some of the Miku fan volunteer is helping to handle the situation. Actually, no one is handling the situation very tightly since we lost people about 70%. If we stop, no one may able to check and INVESTIGATE relatively mass scale. So, the problem is man power to help. We do not have a person to make a report of daily check, Website and other.

Since several person are very busy for other or already tired, it may not possible to continue for longer period. One of the major problem is that we need more reliable high quality people.

Since Miku fan volunteer have beem doing most of all investigation, daily check of YouTbe video and many other activities, if everyone follow the direction of MikuFan.com (do anything more than observe from the sidelines.), all our activity will be stopEdit

16) If we stop all activity, according to the direction of MikuFan.com (do anything more than observe from the sidelines.), all massive INVESTIGATION may stop. It is very important to double check, who is doing massive INVESTIGATION other than us.Edit



MikuFan2 2012-4-23

Stop transferring incorrect information.
Permission to use will be taken or delete.
http://www.mikufan.com/a-save-miku-response-from-crypton-the-problem-has-been-almost-solved/



























Further analysis and DiscussionEdit

It may very important to think and discuss why these things are happen.

Since the information of the article of MikuFan.com ( and MikuStar) seems not correct, it may necessary to publish correction in the Website after double checking. Since they are asking to spread the incorrect news to many community, and actually doing, it may need to make correction notice. Then, send the noice and correct information to other Website which is accepting the direction of MikuFan.com and MikuStar.


The writer of MikuFan.com Mr. "jrharbort" may want stop if nothing is happening. There is a possibility that Mr. "jrharbort"and other person may not know about what kind of INVESTIGATION and other activity is on going. There are other topics related to prevent re-uploaded video without permission, and following Guidelines for secondary use and Piapro Character License (PCL).

It is under initiative process to make good communication between Japanese Producers, international user, and Miku fan. MikuFan.com should at least contact us before doing STOP SAVE MIKU campaign to make sure if the information is correct or not. {C}There is the possibility that


(Stopping of Save Miku project may relatively similar that "Since most of the problems are solved, so reduce or remove the antivirus software"..)

There were very heavy attack by spammer to SaveMiku including Japanese site. It was very difficult to continue. We lost other wiki sites during spam attack. If possible, we want to recover. But we don't have enogh assistant people.

Actually, our top page of Save Miku OverSea wikiA is under attack by spam as follows.

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Discussion about Korean topics in YouTubeEdit

Korean topics and Vocaloid


It is important to offer proper information and teach how to protect or prevent. This is the main propose of this topics.

MikuFan.com wrote the articles in order to stop fighting within Miku fandom in YouTube video and some other site. They may thought if blaming within Vocaloid fan is stoped, the fighting may simply stop. Thus, they asked to STOP posting Save Miku in their article and spread to many others people.

However, it may not good approach. They may needed to study and analyze before doing. They shoud try to contact us before writing article to confirm, if it is good idea or NOT. Some of our staff and related person found the writer of MikuFan.com in YouTube, and asked not to spread inaccurate information regarding Google and Crypton without confirmation, and wait until confirmation from Crypton. However, they published and started STOP posting SAVE MIKU campaign.


We have been also trying to investigate and monitor anti-Korean comments from January 2012. We received 1000 spam per week regarding Korea in our Japanese related sites from the end of January 2012. We were not possible to communicate smoothly even in Japanese sites due to many spam. Compared to this, the comment in SAVE MIKU video in YouTube was very small part. It is very important to find who is doing. What is the objective for them? We found from many other Websites that there are several kind of specific people are doing as follows.


who is PROMOTING anti-Korean comments?Edit

In order to describe simply, we try to grope following people in here:

[(1) anti-Korean activist, spammer, Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression of Japan, right-winger, right-winger who is acting as Japanese in Japan]

(1)=are the most people who make comment regarding anti-Koren comment as semi-professional.

[(2) anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression of Japan, right-winger who is acting as Japanese in Japan]

These (2) anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese and right-winger are making anti-Korean comment to make bad impression of Japan.

[(3) anti-Korean activist (対韓活動家)] = usually Japenese

[(5) normal Vocaloid fan who try to respond the comment of other semi-professional]

If ordinary Vocaloid fan make response to semi-professionals of (1)-(3), these normal people may going to involve Korean issue step by step.


Anti-Korean comments are generally made and STIMULATED by [(1) anti-Korean activist, spammer, anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression of Japan, right-winger]. These people are semi-professional to do and stimulate these activity. They are not normal Vocaloid fan nor creators related to Vocaloid. Thus, Vocaloid fan are not blaming each other usually.


What is the objective for anti-Korean comment by semi-professional?Edit

Everyone need to know the objective of following semi-professional people. [(2) Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression, right-winger] are also trying to make bad impression of Vocaloid, and Japan by making NEGATIVE comment of Vocaloid and KOREA.

[(2) Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression, right-winger who is acting as Japanese in Japan] are usually non-Japanese including Korean people who lives in Japan. Thus, it is very complicated. [(2) Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese, right-winger] blame Korea in order to make bad impression of Japan. These people [2] are ACTING as Japanese and Vocaloid Fan. These people may use Japanese language.

[(3) anti-Korean activist] may also promoting the opinion of anti-Korean opinion. However, these comment may able to link to the similar information source such as WJF.


Who against the false information regarding Japan?Edit

In order to against [(2) Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese, right-winger who is non-Japanese], [(3) anti-Korean activist] has been fighting to correct the false information of [2]. People in [3] against the campaign of [2] also. People in [(3) anti-Korean activist] are usually Japanese. [3] are also involved in historical things and territorial problem of Japan.


Typical video from [(3) anti-Korean activist]

http://wondrousjapanforever.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/works.html


Uploaded by GloriousJapanForever
Endangered Japan (Book 1): A Cultural War




What is simple solution?Edit

Anyway, these semi-professional people are usually experienced very well except spammer. Thus, most of people can not compete with them. It is important to offer proper information and teach how to protect or prevent.

The best solution is IGNORE the ALL Korean related comments.Edit


Wait to disappear for several months. If you made comment or press [like] regarding Korean problem, you may be involved aleady. These semi-professional people is happy to see such comment. Thus, DO NOT COMMENT regarding Korea in Vocaloid related Websites, if you don't know detail.


What may be on going related Vocaloid?Edit

We need to carefully think if these kind[1] of people are interested in Vocaloid. We know that it is happening already. Thus, we have been monitoring sometimes more than 6 months quietly. We are trying to find what these semi-professional people are thinking?

There is a possibility that [(2) Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese, right-winger] may already using the Vocaloid to make bad impression of Vocaloid.


This may be the example to promote bad impression of Vocaloid (and Japan).

http://www.youtube.com/user/5MIKI5SF

http://www.youtube.com/user/AvocaloidGODmiki

http://www.nicovideo.jp/user/28374959

blog


For more detailed information regarding Korean commentsEdit

Please read more details in the different pages. However,

This contents is only research and study propose. These pages may contain inappropriate contents for the sensitive person. Thus, please do not read this Website. We are not promoting these kind of activity.


We have been also trying to investigate and monitor them from January 2012.

We need to carefully think to concentrate or dilute the population of [1] in particular Website as described below.

It may possible that some articles related to SAVE MIKU may concentrate the population of [1] in the comment of SAVE MIKU related video in Youtube and some others.


Some Explanation of Korean comments in YoutubeEdit

It is very important to know that low level of anti-Korean activist is/may spamming and promoting anti-Korean campaign in Vocaloid related sites and videos, If ordinary vocaloid fan are removed from these sites, anti-Korean activist may remain in high percentage. There is the possibility in some YouTube video of Save Miku project. It seems already happening slowly.such as follows:

MIKU disappears from youtube. 【Save Miku (Vocaloid) Campaign】

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY6CO6FbH40


If you see the comments of following video, you may able to find the similarity. There is the posibility that similar prople is commenting in Save MIku video already.

危機に瀕する日本:なぜ我々は怒っているか Endangered Japan: Why We Are So Angry Now


韓国による日本文化略奪:ジャパン・エキスポ2011での偽サムライと偽剣道


Why they comment regarding "Japanese cultures (Origami, Sakura, Kendo, Ninja) are origin of Korea" in Save Miku video? It is simple. Some relatively clever [(3) anti-Korean activist,] and [(4) anti-Korean activist, right-winger (and anti-Miku fan)] seems already sitting in the comment list. They seems semi-professional or well-experienced.

When this people came, other semi-professional people such as [2] usually come to against the comment of [1]. There is a possibility that additional people from [(1) anti-Korean activist, spammer, Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression, right-winger] are already sitting to comment in Youtube including SAVE MIKU video.


You can also find in other video and Website related to Anti-Korean campaign. We can not explain all at here, since we need to investigate with confident.


What is happening in Youtube?Edit

It was found that many of semi-professional people started to wach SAVE MIKU video from about February 2012. They also started to watch introductory video such as WIM, PoPIP and others video of vocaloid. They are also watching the video which is showing Korean has problem. Sometime, thay are also watching the culture stealing of Japan by Korean. Thus, they are not vocaloid fan of normal user. You can see in their channel. They never uploaded the vocaloid video.

Many of them are only making comment. They are trying to tell Korea is problem including culture attack. It was found that some of them are clever and gentle. Some of them maybe relatively aggressive.

It was found that some pure vocaloid fan (including from oversea) is trying to stop negative comment in YouTube by responding to them. Such person may thought other miku fan is making negative anti-Korean comment.

There are negative comment within [1]. There are also negative comment between [1] and normal vocaloid fan [5].

If new ordinary people see the situation, they may think that vocaloid fan [5] may doing Korean related blaming each other. This IS the one of the MAIN propose of [2] anti-Japan activist/spammer which is very similar to other Website. such as right winger.


SolutionEdit

Thus, it may need to increase the percentage of ordinary vocaloid fan in vocaloid video site and SAVE MIKU related sites. It is very important to inform that do NOT discuss Korean related topics in SAVE MIKU related video site and other video site, antil tight evidence regarding involvement of Korea is obtained. If a person started to discuss about anti-Korea, bring the person to other free talking space.

Therefore, it may better to offer space or show the place to [(1) anti-Korean activist, spammer, Anti-Japan activist, fake Japanese who is acting as Japanese to make bad impression, right-winger] for free talk and discussion instead.

The same method are generally used for other Websites which is not related to vocaloid in order to calm down. It is VERY IMPORTANT to know that we are NOT fighting within Miku fan only. We made such free places from January 2012 in Japanese, and it seems working so far.

While making such free space, a relatively tight anti-Korean activist mentioned that It is important not to directly assist to go to other anti-Korean campaign site. Because, if low level anti-Korean activist go to other normal site for the group of anti-Korean campaign, they may expand the information. Thus, we made a small free space for them to go. One of the main topic for the free space is Save Miku for anti-Korean campaign. We made several sites and thread in order to keep anti-Korean activist, right-winger and anti-Miku fan.

Thus, Anti-Korean activist are discussing how to increase their Anti-Korean campaign in several places regarding this issue. They are discussing what kind of message is better/efficient to comment in YouTube and other site to enhance the Korean related campaign. They are studying about Vocaloid and related community also. We also have some information of the operations of them to put the negative comment. However, we kept relatively confident to find the information for the future investigation.

Some of us visit the free space to discuss and monitor the activity. Their activity became relatively diminissed compaired to February 2012. Since some of them are remaining. If campaign for Save Miku project is stop, the concentration/population of anti-Korean activist, right-winger and anti-Miku fan in the comment of SAVE MIKU related video are increase. Actuary, they have been increasing. We still don't have enough information regarding anti-Japan activist.

It may important to isolate [1] and their Anti-Korean campaign. Then, do NOT over react by ordinary Vocaloid fan. If we discuss about normal Vocaloid, anti-Korean activist may lost intention and reduced since they are not interested in too much about vocaloid. If everyone is keep calm for several months it may cool down enough.

It was effective to make separate site for anti-Korean activist for the discussion of SAVE MIKU and vocaloid.


Investigation and research regarding Korean topicsEdit

It is important to offer proper information and teach how to protect or prevent.

In February 2012, we started to investigated some about [1]. There was some question from our international staff about anti-Korean activist/spammer. In order to explain in English, we started to study and collect information.

However, it was stopped by some of our Japanese staff, since several person may though it is not proper to tell and study about these things in English for other international fan and staff. Since thay asked to delete the information we deleted the pages for study and research regarding Korean-Japan and right-winger related contents.

Since international fan and staff are already thinking and/or blaming about Korean related campaign, it may necessary to start thinking and studying again. We should have study about them in advance maybe in separate site or location. It may important to offer proper information and teach how to protect or prevent. We may be needed to think how to immune other people not to react to Korean related topics too much.

Several anti-Korean activists are also sitting our headquarter sites of SAVE MIKU for over 5 months. We also found that anti-Korean activist and spammer seems different. We are trying to find the background idea why they are interested in Vocaloid and some SAVE MIKU project.



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This illustration does not indicate about the relationship of Hatsune Miku and YouTube.
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Discussion about the Chain of CreationEdit

During the investigation, it was found that more than 80-90% of the Vocaloid video in YouTube may be copied and re-uploaded video without permission from original Producer (P). According to the PV video producer at the nearly end of the Chain of Creation in NIco NIco video, it is very difficult or time consuming to get the permission of all producers who involved to make the PV video. For international user, it may better to get permission from initial Original Producer for the secondary use at least.

It was also found from minor Original Producers of songs, If they wrote to ask to get permission for secondary use, MMD producer probably may not make the PV. Thus, previously they did not ask and wrote "the permission for secondary is requested".

(Competition of Original Producer in Vocaloid work.)
"Vocaloid界の厳しい現実を数字で見る動画"
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16578814
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16720451
DATA http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/Li/so/118216

It was found that many of the MMD producer may not taking the permssion for secondary use. However, if origial Producer realy want to delete the video, it is possible through administrator of Nico NIco Video. It is some how possible to contact by writing in Comment in Nico NIco video. Thus, it seems if the original Producer of the song want to contact, there is the high possibility to get contact within NIco NIco Video community in Japanese. Thus, the Chain of Creation is relatively conserverved in NIco NIco Video.

Officially, NIco NIco Video is started to make CONTENT TREE to find that who is the upstream of creation.

Therefore, there are weakness to taking contact between NIco Nico VIdeo and YouTube Vocaloid User. Also, there is language problem after Nico Nico Video reagarding the Chain of Creation.

There are also comment regarding the level of Producer.

"Vocaloid界の厳しい現実を数字で見る動画"
{(Competition of Original Producer in Vocaloid work.)

If you see this video, you can find that less than 1% of vocaloid video was became relatively famous. Thus, the problem with video deletions is byond the normal Producer. Thus most of the producer may not interested in. Therefore, normal Producer may not interested in SAVE MIKU project before, at all.


P.S.

Many of us are may already tired because we need to investigate this MikuFan.com case in addition to other case and other things. Even some of our staff may have an opinion about Korean related blamin, we strongly stopped not to discuss in our headquater. {C}MikuFan.com may need to say someting to us, and fandom which is following their STOP SAVE MIKU campaign. However, if they re-announce properly with correct information, we and fandom shoud not blame them since they try to solve the problems. But, We need the detailed truth from them to investigate the deletion problem.



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In order to promote the INVESTIGATION, we made some illustration.

Let's Investigate to SAVE MIKU.

Investigate to SAVE MIKU

I SAVE MIKU

It include You/we can investigate, think and study quietly to discover what is going on.

It include please stop fighting. You can see the smile of Miku. You can also add the meaning if you find.

You can download the original files in Piapro to use the illustration. You can download after the free registration of Piapro. It takes about 1 week to wait for making comment in Piapro for their security. But, you can download the files. If you registrar your cellular phone, you can make comment immediately. We are also trying to translate to help understanding.

BY (Where to download.)
Illust. By: {C}
BY (Where to download.)
Illust. By: ]]

One of the Goal is added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West." as written in main menu.




AppendixEdit



Regarding Caution and Brief summaryEdit

It is also very important to know that many person re-uploaded videos without permission form original Producer. This kind of problem is happening alot. According to the survey of us, Daifuku-P and Crypton, most Producers want to be informed about the secondary use.

There are Guidelines for secondary use including individual Producers

http://vfca.web.fc2.com/guidelines_for_secondary_use.html

http://vfca.web.fc2.com/

http://www50.atwiki.jp/miku_guidline/pages/15.html

Statements from producers and copyright holders 【Pさん及び著作権者の二次創作ガイドライン表明】

It is very important to offer the proper information to many Miku fans and users what is OK and what is NOT.

Crypton made guideline to use such as Piapro Character License (PCL) of Crypton for further assistance regarding special copyright condition. It is important spread this kind of information insted of incorrect information.

Please study Piapro Character License (PCL) of Crypton for further assistance regarding special copyright condition. (This is a test case to chenge the way of getting permission in several words or sentences from Producers.)Edit

Piapro Character License research  【ピアプロ キャラクター ライセンスの勉強会】

http://piapro.jp/license/character_guideline

Opinion of Original Producer about secondary use Edit

It is very important to understand the opinion of Original Producer of the video. Here is the result of survey to original Producer in 2010 regarding secondary use. Relatively high percent of Producer want to be contacted if the video is secondary use is performed.

These are basically talking about Japanese language in NicoNico video and (some YouTube) for secondary use. Secondary use in English may be different. Simple copy and re-uploading is not included in secondary use. During the secondary use, the user need to add creation to original video.

Answer005 100924

Opinion of Producers for secondary use. 引用 http://blog.piapro.jp/2010/09/post-397.html

http://blog.piapro.jp/005_100924.jpg

36% of Original Producer want to be informed after the secondary use.

19% of Original Producer want to be informed BEFORE the secondary use.

31% of Original Producer may not need to be informed for the secondary use.

10% has other opinion.

Thus, more than half of Original Producer seems want to be informed during the secondary use.


[survey to original Producer by Crypton and Piapro] Edit

クリエイターの皆様にご協力いただきアンケートを実施しました。Edit

<楽曲利用について> ⑤ご自身の楽曲を他の方が使用することについて質問します。

(二次創作、歌ってみたなど) (Please find more detail in here)

 2010年9月24日

If a song is published as a record from major record company. It seem different situation. If you want to use a song from record, most of the case is requesting contact for permission. However, condition is depend of Original Producer.


Here is how to find the condition of secondary use for permission.Edit

For example, we obtained the answer from major creator of Supercell, ryo as follows.

ryo and Supercell is published major hit songs such as World Is Mine, Melt, Black Rock Shooter and others.

If you are using from "Nico Nico Douga" for secondary use, ryo is permitting for secondary use as following conditions.

Do not deviate from the common sense (moral). (モラルを守ってください。)

Let's think by using example. Since we obtained the answer from one of Top creators of Vocaloid, ryo and Supercell regarding secondary use of their video and creative works.

As listed in follow: "Statements from producers and copyright holders ".


Note for other:

ryo and Supercell published major hit songs such as World Is Mine, Melt, Black Rock Shooter and others. World is Mine became CF/CM of Toyota USA.

Condition of Secondary use of these kind of songs: ( but, live DVD and CF/CM may be different condition.) (Please see the page.)

1) World is Mine with English Sub - Hatsune Miku Version - ワールドイズマイン - sm4593633 - HQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXgoIjS7UM

2) CV01 Hatsune Miku - World is Mine Live in Tokyo, Japan - 1080p HD[up by Mr.SeyrenLK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTXO7KGHtjI

3) 【手描き】ワールドイズマイン【PV】~ Hatsune Miku - World is Mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJ6UR_pD5s

4) =Dream Harmonic - Corolla + Miku: Big Dream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15PE7iGT0U

5) Miku Hatsune - Toyota Corolla - All spots compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaA2liN9LKM


For secondary use, ryo is talking about this kind of his video in Nico Nico video.

10) [初音ミク が オリジナル曲を歌ってくれたよ「ワールドイズマイン」 (Original song of World is Mine.)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3504435

(His blog.)

According to his guideline for secondary use, it seems permitted as following:

>[For secondary use of the works that has been posted to "Nico Nico Douga", if non-commercial use, ]

Thus, officially published CD, DVD and BD seems protected and need contact for additional permission for use. {C}Thus, there is the possibility that secondary use such as (similar to) 1 and 3 may be permitted if (10) is used as original video. It is also need to follow his guideline. Secondary use of 2, 4, and 5 need additional permission.


Thus, many of these secondary use of (10) maybe fit in his condition. (It is not confirmed yet due to large number)

(Tag search using keyword [World is Mine] in Japanese at Nico Nico Video)

(タグ ワールドイズマイン を含む動画の検索結果)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BA%E3%83%9E%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3

Please read more detail in the database for secondary use. {C}Please contact as written in if there is problem or question.

初音ミク が オリジナル曲を歌ってくれたよ「メルト」 (Original PV of Melt.)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1715919

Black Rock Shooter also became animation in Japan.

(Caution: Simple copy and re-uploading of the video is not secondary use.)

Therefore, if you are translating the lyric of the song it is basically better to contact to the original Producer, even very short message. Many original Producer also want to know how the songs are re-used and modified depend on P.


最終的には、[chain of creation]創作の連鎖」の、ニコ動画とYouTubeを含めた海外のユーザーとの 橋渡しの最初の糸口になると良いのかもしれません
 (の補足 appendix に記載準備)

後日ゆっくり、検討してみましょう 翻訳の上手い例や、下手な例などの調査結果をつけると、分かりやすいかもしれません

調査の結果、下記の許諾条件が、二次使用の動画の作成主のPさん、 rakさんから出ていることが分かりました

rakさん >素人絵描きです。動画をうpして遊んでます。 >私が作成した動画はご自由にご利用下さい。特に許可を求めなくてもおkです。

http://www.nicovideo.jp/user/7502434

【手描き】ワールドイズマイン【PV】

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5473120

【手描き】ワールドイズマイン【PV】~ Hatsune Miku - World is Mine  (YouTube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJ6UR_pD5s


World is Mine with English Sub - Hatsune Miku Version - ワールドイズマイン - sm4593633 - HQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXgoIjS7UM

これは、下記のRENAさんの歌える詩の翻訳を利用しておられる感じがします

リズムに合っていて、歌える気もします。誤訳等は、問題ないのでしょうか?

作曲者のryoさんの 常識の範囲内の利用であれば、 二次利用条件は満たしている可能性もあります

Transcription English Lyrics: RENA Link to Lyrics:

http://takeit-home.livejournal.com/8809.html

ワールドイズマインに絵をつけてみた【PVもどき完成版】

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4593633


Help for International creators, Secondary User (and Fandom)Edit

Statements from producers and copyright holders 【Pさん及び著作権者の二次創作ガイドライン表明】 {C}[Vocaloid fans communication assistance]

http://vfca.web.fc2.com/

The purpose of that website is Vocaloid fans communication assistance.
(サイトの目的は、ボーカロイドのファンのコミュニケーションの支援です。)

[Help translation of video, Help to get permission from Original Producer for translation.]
[Help getting permission from Original Producer for re-upload to Youtube]

Format of e-mail to Japanese creators for apply for secondary use of the works.
(作品の二次利用を申請するための日本のクリエイターへの電子メールの書式。)

Piapro Character License research  【ピアプロ キャラクター ライセンスの勉強会】


We have no intention to make bad impression between MikuFan.com and Crypton.

Thus, we may not releasing the primary writing and information.

We would like to apologize in advance for wrong translation.

One of our current aim is the investigation.

We don't have a intension to blame MikuFan.com if appropriate contact and action is taken to us.

Thus, other vocaloid fan should not blame MikuFan.com even if their information is not accurate nor incorrect.





REFERENCESEdit

Many pages are using information of MikuFan.com as follows:Edit

Save hatsune mikuEdit

http://www.facebook.com/SaveMiku

http://www.facebook.com/SaveHatsuneMiku


YouTube

MIKU disappears from youtube. 【Save Miku (Vocaloid) Campaign】

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY6CO6FbH40

(comment)

Please note that we do not intend to encourage the unauthorized copying of videos.
このメッセージは、決して無断転載を推奨・擁護するものではありません。現在ある脅威をyoutubeのクリエイター及びファン、そして許可を得て転載をしている正当なアップロード者に報せるものです。


海外もみっくみく 2012年05月12日 「Save Miku キャンペーン動画」への海外の反応

http://afiguchi.seesaa.net/article/269690370.html


vocaloid.wikia

http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Save_Miku


"Vocaloid界の厳しい現実を数字で見る動画"




J-cast News : 海外の初音ミク動画「次々削除」 だれの嫌がらせなのかと大騒ぎに」2012/2/ 2

http://www.j-cast.com/2012/02/02121041.html?p=all

グーグルの日本法人に取材すると、広報担当者が不在だとして話が聞けなかった。

(According to Google Japan, no one was available to respond.)

初音ミク発売元のクリプトン・フューチャー・メディアでは、取材に対し、「弊社でも、ご案内のような事実が発生していることを認識いたしております。現在、情報の収集を行なっております」とコメントしている。

(Crypton is telling that [they KNOWS about this kind of situation. They are collecting information.)


Multiple Hatsune Miku Videos Being Taken Down Overseas

2012-02-02 10:45 EST

Crypton Future Media: We are gathering information on the situation

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-02/multiple-overseas-hatsune-miku-videos-being-taken-down

When ANN contacted Hatsune Miku's developer Crypton Future Media, the company said, "Our company has confirmed that this is happening. We are now gathering information on the situation."


Nico Nico News, 2012年2月1日(水)19時30pm 初音ミクの動画がYouTubeから大量削除されている? 削除理由や動機は不明


Yaraon! YouTubeに偽申請を出して初音ミク動画を削除しまくる人物が問題に! 誰の仕業だろうか?


vocaloid.wikia, Revision as of 13:03, February 19, 2012

http://vocaloid.wikia.com/wiki/Save_Miku?oldid=71928



YouTubeでボカロ関連動画が次々と著作権削除されているらしい件, [初音ミク-音楽] 2012/01/29(日) 23:55:09



またMedia Interactive Incか…初音ミクさんを狙って陰謀くさいですねー(T_T),2012年01月20日


We are all Music Fans

http://blog.mikustar.com/?p=140


A message to the Save Miku WikiaEdit

http://www.mikufan.com/a-message-to-the-save-miku-wikia/



Correction Request (訂正依頼)Edit

Please find in the separate page.

Correction Request1


Correction of wrong or inaccurate informationEdit

Following websites contains wrong or inaccurate information. It is causing confusion to other people too. Thus, correction of information is requested. Before the correction of the website, please take "Fish COPY" to save and keep the evidence.Edit

For those who keep posting "save miku"

http://megalodon.jp/2012-0801-0941-08/i-love-vocaloid.deviantart.com/journal/For-those-who-keep-posting-quot-save-miku-quot-297581519

http://i-love-vocaloid.deviantart.com/journal/For-those-who-keep-posting-quot-save-miku-quot-297581519


[1ST OFFICIAL SAVE MIKU CONTEST]

http://hatsune-miku-fanclub.deviantart.com/journal/1ST-OFFICIAL-SAVE-MIKU-CONTEST-317668115


SAVE MIKU CAMPAIGN :::..

http://midnight-princess13.deviantart.com/art/SAVE-MIKU-CAMPAIGN-283070505


Save Miku meme

http://fav.me/d4q4aou

http://megalodon.jp/2012-0801-1022-16/twistermon.deviantart.com/art/Save-Miku-meme-285735198?q=gallery%3Asavemiku%2F35138821&qo=299


Save hatsune mikuEdit

http://www.facebook.com/SaveMiku

http://www.facebook.com/SaveHatsuneMiku



Requests for correction of videosEdit

9) Please delete these kind of video and message by your selfEdit

Again, Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012.=Edit

We found the critical information. Following information from MikuFan.com is similar to spam in YouTube dated February 03, 2012 (and some others) as listed below. Where is the evidence to support their article on April 16, 2012? Did MikuFan.com wrote the article without confirmation? Who add the information regarding Korea "they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it."?Edit

d)

>[The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago,]

In the spam, we found mis-translation from original J-CAST News, February 2, 2012.

(The person who wrote spam may though that :there was the name of Google and Crypton in the J-CAST News, Then the person might thought it was already safe.)


Following are wrong message spread by someone:Edit

d)

February 3, 2012


EDIT: Miku is now safe, Crypton and Google made a joint effort and fixed the issue.

Countless videos featuring Miku are being deleted by unknown individuals and/or groups. Everybody, help us to save Miku!

What you can do:

1. Download every Miku video you watch with a YouTube Downloader of your choice

2. Upload them to your channel and mark them with SaveMiku (at least in tags, better in the title)

3. Spread this message through comments and video descriptions

We are her soul. We give her voice. We give her life.

We, the fans, are Hatsune Miku.

They want to take her down? They'll have to take us down!

I do not own anything. Everything belongs to their rightful owners.**

Example of video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8




Do you still think your information is correct?

There are big mis-understandings inclusing Google and Crypton issue and other information too.

Many other problems are also found. It was not possible to release the correct information widely due to spam and investigation.

Following are wrong or inaccurate information according to Crypton and the investigation of SAVE MIKU. "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone is nothing to do."

New articles is under preparation from SAVE MIKU and other places.

[New Objective+Message]




Memo and Scrap

We only need the evidence to prove whether this information is correct or NOT:

Information from Mr. SeyrenLK:The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it. (Mr. SeyrenLK is uploader of Live concert video. )

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