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Is information from MikuFan.com correct and accurate about Save Miku?Edit

【Are Crypton and Google really solving problems actively or NOT?】 Edit

ERROR Otogine 201205160837

by http://piapro.jp/t/qHMy

Summary: Since MIkufan.com wrote the following article, we started to investigate this as case7.

Case7 mikufan.com

Since they wrote: Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.
"The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago
and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.",
"Crypton has the intention of making an announcement once everything has been settled."

There were questions from many other people in international Vocaloid community if these are TRUE or NOT. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.





coped from our page:

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5) Crypton and Google issueEdit

Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012.Edit

Most of Japanese fan knew that the information from MikuFan.com were wrong regarding Crypton and Google due to the original News in February 2, 2012 and some minor information from Crypton. However, their articles were expanded in international community in English. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.Edit

We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. We spent 1-2 month to tell about misunderstanding or incorrect information in order to convince MikuFan.com, with minor unofficial help from Crypton. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.Edit

Case7 mikufan.com 【Crypton and Google are solving according to the articles of mikufan.com or NOT TRUE】

Who is going to take care to solve many problems?Edit


We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care? Edit

In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. Google can not protect if the video is copied and re-uploaded without permission. Downloading and re-uploading of a video violate the general user term of Youtube. There are no people or organization to take care so far.Edit


Did SASA Jyunichi try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion?Edit


Please start thinking instead of saying there is no problem. We are still not sure the initial person, who try to take care the coping videos and the permission problems by massive illegal deletion, was SASA Jyunichi or not. lol.. We found some information that SASA is/may related to musician. Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.Edit

The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. We highly need help to maintain current situation in order to protect and investigate.Edit

Another big problem is that when we tried to release message, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. If Crypton and Google are actively solving the problems instead of us, we don't have to do. We can watch as advised by their article. Thus, we are not able to release and spread the new massage until nearly finish the investigation of this case. We needed to solve/finish the case of MikuFan.com before spreading our new message.Edit

We carefully investigated what is going on regarding MikuFan.com for 2-3 months. Meanwhile, most of our visitor by Facebook was stopped for 2 months after their articles as shown in our top page.Edit

Correction request of inaccurate informationEdit

It's still causing confusion and big problems. We and they need to correct wrong/inaccurate information in their article and need to spread correct information. It is normal to write correction in the field of Journal printing for more than 100 years.Edit

Many international people believed their news that "Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do". When we start to discuss, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. We can not correct information one by one.Edit

Their spread message are still active in many other Website. It still causing confusion to many people. We and they need to wipe out inaccurate part of previous spread message from them.Edit



6) Next Step is correction of information and confirmationEdit

We found some information that "SASA Jyunichi" is/may related to musician. Did "SASA Jyunichi" try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion? We don't know yet. We found that some Producer may hiding and protecting information of "SASA Jyunichi" in very small SNS community.Edit

We can not get full information from Producers due to BIG misunderstanding. There are big mis-understanding within Producer in Japan that we (SAVE MIKU) promote and help copying and re-uploading video. However, it is not true. Please tell right information as listed here. This is the next thing everyone can do. We still get many spams due to this misunderstanding in Japanese Websites.Edit

Thus, we highly need to correct the information within Producer and this "Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do".Edit

It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often. After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English.Edit

It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.Edit

Since many account may start to lost contact, it is very good to make contact for reconfirmation each other. During reconfirmation please tell correct information and this page. It is also helpful to ask for the deletion of wrong information and videos as follows:Edit






Correction request for previous wrong or inappropriate writingEdit

Correct:

Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.Edit

The problem with video deletions had NOT been solved by Google and Crypton actively, Edit

and they even did NOT confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.Edit


Wrong:

Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.Edit

The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit

and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.Edit



Wrong:

So we as a community need to spread the news that there is no longer a problem.


Correct:

We found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems. In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. There are no people or organization to take care so far. Please start thinking instead of saying there is no problem.Edit

We are still not sure the initial person who try to take care the coping videos and the permission problems by massive illegal deletion was SASA Jyunichi or not. lol.. We found some information that SASA is/may related to musician.Edit

We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care? Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.Edit

We and many fan have been protecting mysterious deletion from SASA Jyunichi through SAVE MIKU campaign. Someone have to take care to solve problems. It was found that over several 10000 videos are copied and re-uploaded without permission from original Producer. Sometime, one Youtube account has several 100 copied videos. The most simple solution is deletion of all copied and re-uploaded videos from Youtube. However, before the deletion of the all copied video, everyone can think how to improve the situation.Edit

Please understand when most of the original Producer ask to delete copied and re-uploaded videos, most of the vocaloid video may deleted from YouTube. Thus, current situation is very difficult to solve. Most of producer are still not showing the opinion officially. Thus, final decision may not made yet by original Producer.=Edit

Further analysis:

The mysterious deletion of video is a problem.

Please understand

Deletion of copied and re-uploaded video solve problem.

Remaining of copied and re-uploaded video cause problem.



We also receive complainment, opinion and suggestion from someone who still want delete videos. We usually receive many opinion regarding copying and re-uploading issue, and secondary use without permission.

We are protecting from mass scale deletion by mysterious deletion. Thus, someone need to take care to solve the problems of remaining videos which are not deleted yet.

We have some information that the account owner with very bad attitude were terminated by mysterious deletion. These kind of account owner showed very bad attitude while receiving advice for correction or something. Then the adviser may concluded that it was not possible to help. Then, someone deleted the video and terminated the account with very bad attitude.

We also found following information. Coping and re-uploading video by the account owner with very bad attitude during advice caused mysterious deletion.

It was fond that during the advice and receiving advice for correction or something, many kind of fights and additional problems were generated very often. It may cause mysterious deletion of videos sometime.

We need to investigate to find details.

Basically, only way to solve problem is getting the permission from original Producer.

Please do not copied and re-upload videos without permission from Original Producer. False claimer may delete your video and account.

mikubook




Wrong:

Crypton has the intention of making an announcement once everything has been settled.


Correct:

Crypton has NO intention of making an announcement.

Crypton has NO intention to involve and solve problems actively according to Crypton.

Crypton has NO intention of making an announcement once everything has been settled.





We started to for discussion.

We received message from MikuFan.com.

{{ #NewWindowLink: http://www.mikufan.com/a-message-to-the-save-miku-wikia/ | A message to the Save Miku Wikia}}

We understand continued reposting of topics and videos.

Many people who

, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do.


>On top of all of this, I was observing a lot of internal conflict within the community. People were fighting each other and pointing fingers at different groups, and even different races. It was extremely painful for someone like me to watch.

This is the main objective of anti-Japan activist and .

Thus, we were monitoring them sometime for several months in YouTube and several other Websites. We were monitoring the result in YouTube which was started to committed in other Websites by certain people.

Everyone need to understand they are semi-professional. They are not normal Vocaloid fan nor creators related to Vocaloid.

>I’m trying to hurt Miku.

This is the one of the objectives.

>I’m trying to keep us from hurting ourselves.

>here is a claim that the email we received from Crypton was misunderstood or taken out of context.

We and Crypton were tried to tell about misunderstanding in the article of MikuFan.com for 1-2 months spending more than 10 pages of writing each other. We are discussing about followings major massage in your Article of April 16, 2012:

Basically, here’s what you SHOULD be spreading around.Edit

The problem with video deletions had been solved by Google and Crypton over two months ago, Edit

and they even confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.Edit

There was no comment about Google and Crypton in your letter sent to Crypton. Crypton did/may not know about the writing of the article in detail.

>I am asking for Crypton to please post an official statement in regards to the "Save Miku" movement, and the problem with false copyright claims on videos two months ago.


We think there were only ackowledgement in the letter.



MikuFan.com may needed to find the evidence to support the information of their article before writing, spreading their article and ask everyone to spread the message.

We spent 3 months for investigation in order to solve problem of

Since Crypton and us are telling, this main information is not correct, is there any EVIDENCE to support this information?

We have been protecting, investigating and solving problems for 6 months from January 2012. We don't have any aknowledgent. We only receive information of new problem and other still in July 2012. We can not continue without help.

It may not good to tell or write as if the main information of the article of April 16, 2012 is true without showing supportive evidence.

It is fine to ask STOP reacting Korean topics. It is fine to ask STOP posting "SAVE MIKU" during copying and re-uploading.

It is not good to write the information which has no evidence to support. It is not good to ask to spread the information which has no evidence to support.

It is ok to correct article when someone found wrong information.




Appendix and References (備考及び参考文献)Edit

{{ #NewWindowLink: http://www.mikufan.com/a-message-to-the-save-miku-wikia/ | A message to the Save Miku Wikia}}Edit

May 26th, 2012

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